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Eza

 | Subject: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:36 am | |
| 10 living people I'd like to have as dinner guests
Mipham Chokyi Lodro Jed McKenna EJ Gold Adyashanti Peter Russell Hakim Bey Dolano Trent Reznor John de Ruiter Bob Cergol |
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:24 am | |
| i had exactly the same idea just before coming in here this morning. still pondering whether publishing it is sensible, since more personal.  sifting through many possibilities .... |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:19 pm | |
| So far there are 2 people I would liked to have met, and a dinner seems a good a place to meet as any.
Issac Asamov, Carl Sagan,
Unfortunately, too late for either. |
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Eza

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:49 pm | |
| | bardo wrote: | So far there are 2 people I would liked to have met, and a dinner seems a good a place to meet as any.
Issac Asamov, Carl Sagan,
Unfortunately, too late for either. |
Ahhh! Dead People. For me it would be:
Tilopa Sakyamuni Hui Neng Tönpa Shenrab Avalokiteshvara Thomas Paine Laozi Yeshua the Notzri Naropa My Grandfather
However,...the question was, living people. Perhaps there are no living people you'd like to have a dinner guests. No ten living people you'd benefit from a conversation with.
Some say that a conversation with a person of wisdom is worth more than years of study. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:55 pm | |
| 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests
Actually 'Living' was in your post, not in the subject of the thread. Perhaps it was not your intention but I stand by the subject as written. Yes there are certainly living people I would like to have a conversation with, I'll get arount to that. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:55 pm | |
| Joseph Campbell, is another, I would have liked to ask him about Mythology in some recent movies, and some old movies. |
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:18 pm | |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:31 pm | |
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Eza

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:32 pm | |
| | bardo wrote: | | Joseph Campbell, is another, I would have liked to ask him about Mythology in some recent movies, and some old movies. |
I enjoyed Cambell's academics, but when he mentioned that they only "peak experience" he ever had was feeling he was going to win a track-n-field event in college, my first impressions faded.
"peak experience" is a term with Maslows Hierarchy of Needs. Personally, I had more "peak experiences" than I could count before I ever started college,...and ten-fold that afterwards. How did an 83 year old man, considered the expert on myth, only ever have one.
Is the world in an even worse place than I imagine? |
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Eza

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:36 pm | |
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Sitting in silence shows that the Abrahamic meme is merely mental noise that doesn't exist. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:00 pm | |
| | Eza wrote: | I enjoyed Cambell's academics, but when he mentioned that they only "peak experience" he ever had was feeling he was going to win a track-n-field event in college, my first impressions faded.
"peak experience" is a term with Maslows Hierarchy of Needs. Personally, I had more "peak experiences" than I could count before I ever started college,...and ten-fold that afterwards. How did an 83 year old man, considered the expert on myth, only ever have one.
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Perhaps he had a different definition, or had a stricter standard of evaluation, or maybe just a dull life. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:05 pm | |
| "Peak experiences can also be triggered pharmacologically. A 2006 double-blind clinical study by Griffiths and colleagues showed that psilocybin (the principal psychoactive component of various psychedelic mushroom species) induced intense peak experiences in a majority of study volunteers.[2] In a 14-month follow-up study, a majority of volunteers reported that the psilocybin-induced experience had been overwhelmingly positive and was among the five most personally meaningful spiritual experiences of their lives.[3]" -from Wikipedia.  I wonder if that includes LSD and pot as well? |
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mayflow

Comments: glad for the correspondence
getting clear now
and for your friendship
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:06 pm | |
| Living, I would only think of Tenzin Gyatso and Sogyal Rinpoche Maybe adding Ram Dass, and Clarissa Pinkola Estes! Dead 1. Siddhartha Gotama 2. Padmasambhava 3. Jesus 4. Carl Jung 5. Chogyal Trungpa 6. Osho 7. Einstein 8. Plato 9. Kant 10. Herman Hesse |
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Eza

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:10 pm | |
| | bardo wrote: | "Peak experiences can also be triggered pharmacologically. A 2006 double-blind clinical study by Griffiths and colleagues showed that psilocybin (the principal psychoactive component of various psychedelic mushroom species) induced intense peak experiences in a majority of study volunteers.[2] In a 14-month follow-up study, a majority of volunteers reported that the psilocybin-induced experience had been overwhelmingly positive and was among the five most personally meaningful spiritual experiences of their lives.[3]" -from Wikipedia.
I wonder if that includes LSD and pot as well? |
LSD....not to the same extent as shrooms, mescaline, or DMT.
Have you seen the Terence McKenna video 'Alien Dreamtime' It's about a DMT trip. http://search.utorrent.com/search.php?q=6%20feet%20under&e=http%3a%2f%2fwww.bittorrent.com%2fsearch%3fclient%3dutorrent2200%26search%3d&u=1&source=tb
I bet you would or have enjoy it. |
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Eza

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:14 pm | |
| | mayflow wrote: | Living, I would only think of Tenzin Gyatso and Sogyal Rinpoche
Maybe adding Ram Dass, and Clarissa Pinkola Estes!
Dead
1. Siddhartha Gotama 2. Padmasambhava 3. Jesus 4. Carl Jung 5. Chogyal Trungpa 6. Osho 7. Einstein 8. Plato 9. Kant 10. Herman Hesse |
Padmasambhava should really be on my top ten deceased list,....I have alot of questions for him,...I'll have to bump someone off my list.
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Eza

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:18 pm | |
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Eza

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:19 pm | |
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Oh well,...just do a torrent search for Alien Dreamtime. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:06 am | |
| | Eza wrote: | I enjoyed Cambell's academics, but when he mentioned that they only "peak experience" he ever had was feeling he was going to win a track-n-field event in college, my first impressions faded.
"peak experience" is a term with Maslows Hierarchy of Needs. Personally, I had more "peak experiences" than I could count before I ever started college,...and ten-fold that afterwards. How did an 83 year old man, considered the expert on myth, only ever have one.
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Are you suggesting that the quality of one's life is measured by having 'Peak 'experiences' and having many, keeping a tally of them? If so I think you might be missing something. |
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mayflow

Comments: glad for the correspondence
getting clear now
and for your friendship
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:32 am | |
| Aren't all experiences peak? I don't get why one would be more peak than other? That said, I wouldn't mind Joseph Campbell along with Bill Moyers as dinner guests! Also maybe Rumi!!
The Guest House
This being human is a guest house. Every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness, some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all! Even if they're a crowd of sorrows, who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture, still, treat each guest honorably. He may be clearing you out for some new delight.
The dark thought, the shame, the malice, meet them at the door laughing, and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes, because each has been sent as a guide from beyond.
~ Rumi ~ (The Essential Rumi, versions by Coleman Barks) |
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Eza

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:48 am | |
| | mayflow wrote: | | Aren't all experiences peak? I don't get why one would be more peak than other? |
No. Experience born of belief is only experienced through the condition of that belief,.... conditioned belief is not Self-actualized or peak-experience/
Bardo wrote "Are you suggesting that the quality of one's life is measured by having 'Peak 'experiences' and having many, keeping a tally of them? If so I think you might be missing something. "
No tallying is necessary, but yes, the quality of one's life is certainly measurable by peak-experiences,...the peak-experience is as a feed-back. One way to see this is that Peak-experience is the experience of being awake from thought. It is as a state of gnowing,...and gnowledge arises from Heart-mind, not Head-mind. The Head-mind is the source for knowledge.
Peak experience, as I understand this prerequisite for Transcendence, occurs beyond the Me-Story, and all beliefs. There are no beliefs in Heart-mind. If you have a belief,...it was manifested through the head.
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:27 am | |
| | mayflow wrote: | That said, I wouldn't mind Joseph Campbell along with Bill Moyers as dinner guests! Also maybe Rumi!!
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Thankyou, Joseph Campbell, Bill Moyers, add George Lucas to the mix and you would have a very interesting conversation especially about Mythological themes in Movies. Well two out of three is still possible. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:29 am | |
| While we are talking about Mythology, it would be interesting to hear Joseph Campbell's take on all the Bible based movies. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:41 am | |
| The picture is becoming much more clear now. |
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:36 am | |
| i think it was Eza who wrote in another context that "we don't have much time left". glad to meet your dinner peaks! and have "us" equate time with money and not much else. |
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loop

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:58 am | |
| imp-pulse eza bardo mayflow MonoExplosion brian1939 Jigar atheistwar3 MagnetMan Bamberpanda The Valkyrier sicormio
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:16 am | |
| hey, just tell me what i should bring so it's not too much of a financial burden! and what about henry and the ominous owner? |
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loop

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:27 am | |
| | Quote: | | and what about henry and the ominous owner? |
I just pasted the first few, I'd want to eat with Satyr too. |
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:38 am | |
| oh, you change the guests with the courses? pastry for oevres? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEzvV441xb8&feature=related\!! there is something in this poem i just cannot dismiss...
The Guest House
This being human is a guest house. Every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness, some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all! Even if they're a crowd of sorrows, who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture, still, treat each guest honorably. He may be clearing you out for some new delight.
The dark thought, the shame, the malice, meet them at the door laughing, and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes, because each has been sent as a guide from beyond.
~ Rumi ~ |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:39 pm | |
| We could all experience the dinner vicariously if we each post a favorite recipe and then each of us can try the others out. One of mine would be 'Chicken Risotto' from the book 'Cooking out of this World' compiled by Anne McCaffrey. Be advised it is not quick & simple, best to plan a day long process. I would also like to try some Dandelion Wine, I've not found any yet but it has always been a fascinating idea, I don't know if it is avaliable commercially. The dinner conversation could take place here if the chat room were rebooted for the event. My main difficulty is that I type slowly and my comments would tend to lag behind the rest of the conversation. |
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The Valkyrier

Comments: What about the sublimity of dadaism?
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:02 am | |
| What a nice little thread =) There is a TV show in sweden where celebrities gets to host an imaginary dinner for 5 people, alive or dead, real or imagined. For me I'd prolly pick people along the following lines: Anthony Hopkins - one of my favorite actors Pete Seeger - one of my favorite musicians Lesser Ury - one of my favorite painters Hugo Chavez - one of my favorite politicians, as for entertainment value that is Cicero - n0. 1 fav. philosopher of all time Charlie Chaplin - in case we ran out of things to talk about Coco Chanel - one of the most interesting women that ever lived Gregory House - He'll never stop amazing me Captain America - since I can pick anyone I want, why not. Plus, it will make a nice distinction to Hugo Chavez  Last but not least Queen Elisabeth of England - a revolutionary monarch, how awesome is that. _________________ Self-quotes: Great minds think alike. Greater minds think for themselves.
Relativism wont save you from the wrath of logic.
Knowledge is a lifestyle.
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:44 am | |
| | Eza wrote: |
Sitting in silence shows that the Abrahamic meme is merely mental noise that doesn't exist. |
sitting in silence also reveals that any meme can become extremely fragile and extremely necessary at any moment. i certainly know that many simultaneous scenarios are extremely disharmonious, and who can claim they are in full control of these frequencies and energies?
be honest, what or who is anchoring you to appear so self-assured? yes, yes, i know what connects us.
at my dinner table would also be helen keller and kaspar hauser.
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sitting in silence can still reconcile our differences. distances must be measured in angström units; sure you could specialize in the physical aspects of that alone.
valkyrier: the tv show you mentioned could be done with roles switching - something similar to "happenings"... we the people talking to any spontaneous role we model unconsciously:
what sort of meme occupies my being? still talking by then? |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:37 am | |
| Many years ago there was a TV program called 'Meeting of the Minds' which alledged to bring persons from history together for a discussion of issues. It was very interesting till I realized that the writers of the show were putting words into the mouths of persons that were not accurate to the person but advancing a political agenda of the producers. It became clear that the portrail was not accurate of the individuals in question. It wasn't long after that that the show went off the air, but I had already stopped watching. |
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:38 pm | |
| what's a meeting anyway? eating and / or being eaten? consumed, to use a more elegant word?
(don't forget to invite jigar, somehow. for stroking his ego.)
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:35 pm | |
| | bardo wrote: | | Many years ago there was a TV program called 'Meeting of the Minds' which alledged to bring persons from history together for a discussion of issues. It was very interesting till I realized that the writers of the show were putting words into the mouths of persons that were not accurate to the person but advancing a political agenda of the producers. It became clear that the portrail was not accurate of the individuals in question. It wasn't long after that that the show went off the air, but I had already stopped watching. |
words put into the mouths of stage actors and that on screen?
what would whet appetites in people whose habit patterns are their prisons, and fast food their diet?

many years ago, i had a surprise meeting with erasmus of rotterdam. no dream and no drugs involved, he just appeared, like a road sign to a most interesting article quoting him in quite a sophisticated context.
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:14 pm | |
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Not-Yet Guest
 | Subject: There? Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:06 pm | |
| Dr. Joseph Bell would be an interesting addition, but we would need Carly Simon singing 'No Secrets' as dinner music. |
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Not-Yet Guest
 | Subject: There? Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:09 pm | |
| I found this one while listening, Thankyou.
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Not-Yet Guest
 | Subject: There? Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:13 pm | |
| Sorry, aparently I can't post links.
'Die Moldau' by Smetana. |
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:35 pm | |
|  ah, an international guest house: open 24/7, all participation is voluntary. guest workers ..... the guests and workers are getting better with age: like wine.  |
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imp-pulse

 | Subject: Re: 10 persons to have as Dinner Guests Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:57 pm | |
|  where do they go after dinner? |
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