First day back to the forum, already had 2 posts deleted.

Someone having fun?

nope, the same post two times.

no one likes it, but you can afford it.

out of curiosity, how does it feel to have made almost twice as many posts as 2nd top poster, and only having been here for less than a year?

Same high quality in all your posts I take it?

Imp: why did you delete V's posts?

V: repost, please.

Imp: keep your mitts off this time.

Wasn't it 'V' who had a bad habit of deleting everyone elses posts?

Please, I ask, no one delete any posts but their own. If you do delete other's posts, do have courage to say you did so and the decency to try to explain why.

The Valkyrier, crying about his post being deleted what a fucking joke.

Let us hope that there are enough responsable members here to make a difference.

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Let's talk about pacifism.
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I've heard that most pacifists, when pushed to the limit, will pick up something heavy and smash your head in.

I have at several occations argued against extending moderation rights to anyone but the admins, due to the fact that some ppl cant stay off the "X button"

Me and mr. scientist had a fight about moderation last time I was on the forum, where he wanted to moderate science forum and delete "unscientific" threads.

Dunno why ppl think I deleted posts, I have always been against moderation.

Few self quotes from old threads:

It might be that the voices of moderation and censorship, which they in the end are, will one day prevail. Until then I will keep roaring and bashing and trolling anyone who says they are being treated with disrespect or that their threads are subject to sabotage.
http://dissidentphilosophy.lifediscussion.net/t1133-to-all-the-whiners-posting-feel-sorry-for-me-threads

It's probably best if we inform everyone that, as long as no one breaks international/national laws (like posting child pornography for example) or breaks the rules of the site host (read their EULA for further details) anything goes.
http://dissidentphilosophy.lifediscussion.net/t919-suggestion-forum-disclaimer

"Wasn't it 'V' who had a bad habit of deleting everyone elses posts?"

Maybe. I wasn't the janitor then, so I guess I didn't pay attention.

I'm the janitor NOW.

Again: unwarranted deletions are unacceptable.

Again: the Owner just dumped and banned (for two days) one who deleted without justification...I'm soon to follow suit.

Nothing can be done about the deleted posts (gone is 'gone'): but everything can be done about the deleter.

in that case Imp-Pulse needs removing from admin and being placed in a sack, away from a computer, until proven to be able to differentiate between a cross (also known as the "delete button") the edit button ("edit"), and the quote button ("quote")!!

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Imp no longer has admin status. When her two day ban is up: she'll come back as a moderator.

If she errs and deletes: no big.

If she deletes on purpose and has no good reason for the act: *BAM!*

As for 'sacking' her: you live way closer to her than I...you do it...

Imp and me have an on-again, off-again, conversation out of forum.

I'm posting my most recent response to her here...I think it's instructive.

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Fundamentally, all you need to know is this: don't delete the posts of others without just cause.

If you feel a deletion has just cause, bring your concern before the forum as a whole.

Since you deleted V's post(s) (and gone is 'gone') I can't see for myself what the content was.

Now: I was happy to simply say, in-forum, 'keep your mitts off', but the Owner saw fit to ban you...I will not counter her decision...DP is her place...I'm just the janitor.

As for discussions of any kind: feel free to start them as you like...just keep in mind: for the moment, you can only post in the salon.

And, again: don't delete the posts of others.

I'm taking a hard line with this: I could not care less what any one posts...my only concern is that all CAN and DO post with minimal restraint, as they like.

The only restraint I'll exert are when posts are screwed around with needlessly, posted kiddie porn (or porn in general, without a good reason), if (without permission) one posts personal information about another. --Henry

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Those to who the above applies know who they are.

"People should have the rights to moderate their own threads as long as they set up rules for the discussion in the OP, after all that's what moderation really is. Look at any academic panel debate."

No.

Any one here can ASK that others abide by rules he or she sets up for a thread.

If others will not abide: tough shit.

This is a public space no different than the town square...folks will talk, shout, argue, fight, and generally make asses of themselves...this is not an academic panel debate.

To treat this place as a cloister is absurd.

I'm no 'free speech' advocate.

I advocate for 'free market' (largely unrestrained interaction between, among, of, individuals).

If 'free market' means -- on occasion -- 'rule by rabble'...so be it.

Here, in this forum, 'you' can speak your mind as you like...so can the other guy.

No one is obligated to listen to 'you' or 'him'...certainly: no one is obligated to 'respect' unenforceable rules 'you' lay out.

So: instead of kvetching about what you don't have, make the best use of what you do have, that being: 'yourself'.

Seems the free-speech project died while I was away.

"MISSION

The values and goals of free-speech, creativity of message and medium, and being a place for a broad spectrum of out-siders to share their thoughts are in effect"

It appears that The Valkyrier is a bit of a hypocrite, he demands that he can say whatever he wants and everyone else should respect him, and yet he wants to be able to delete anyone who disagres with him or if he doesn't like their post. His version of 'Free Speach' is that he can say what he wants but no-one else can. More like a petty little dictator, whining if he doesn't get his own way. FYI free speach is where everyone can speak their minds and no-one is muzzeled, muzzles are for dogs that will not stop barking, perhaps we should get one for The Valkyrier.

'Free speech' is a crock of shit...it has all the reality of angel farts.

What's real: 'you' and whatever capacity you have to 'defend' yourself and 'offend' for yourself.

What?: you want someone else to defend you? Or, offend in your name?

That's not 'rights"...that's being coddled.

As for the mission statement: how are "...being a place for a broad spectrum of out-siders to share their thoughts...", and, '...'you' can speak your mind as you like...so can the other guy.' incompatible?

Insofar as I see: the two are indistinguishable.

It seems having the space to speak your mind is not enough for you. 'You' want not only to 'speak' but also to be respected for what you say, which is ridiculous.

Speak, as you like, on what you like. Just don't expect, or uselessly demand, any one to give a shit.

Now: unless you can cite an example wherein 'you' were deprived of the opportunity to speak (as opposed to the opportunity to speak and be respected for what you say), I'm done with this.

My suggestion: go converse, debate, argue and stop worrying about your nonexistent 'rights'.

"a bit of a hypocrite"

Nah: just a starry-eyed dreamer, a philosopher, someone who apparently believes in 'human rights'.

The only 'right' any one has is what he or she asserts and defends for him- or her-self.

Anything else is moonbeams and privilege (what is given, can -- and will -- be taken).

"muzzles are for dogs that will not stop barking, perhaps we should get one for The Valkyrier."

Nope: like any one else here (including jackasses, idiots, narcissists, and molesters) V can say what he likes, as he likes, when he likes.

Again: what V needs to get is, no one is obligated to listen to him (or any other) or give a shit about him (or any other).

*shrug*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy

that's correct, but is it right?

was the Valkyrier "testing" out how far a "forum admin" will go when provoked?
or is there a "group spirit" seeking to "prove" that all "values" have flown through the roof, simply because that's now possible?

total freedom of speech can be the total monologue of anyone, simply published, but no longer serving any purpose apart from useless "occupation" (unhealthy and unwholesome as its consequences are showing in daily life)?

good luck, ey - the latest thing is middle class youngsters finding it funny to pep up their mobbing artistry by "your mother .... " jokes.
was tv ever more boring, on top of that?

what got types like that in leadership positions?

p.s. i deleted the Valkyrier's post because someone seeming to be he had deleted mine before. his own reappeared sooner than my ban would be enforced.
how else can one even find out what's happening to oneself, all the time?
anyone mimicking public education here?

"i deleted the Valkyrier's post because he had deleted mine before"

Water under, over, around, the bridge.

Let it go, or not...your call...me: I'm done with that.

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If some one doesn't like 'your mother' jokes, he or she can...

1) Ignore as some one with an independent mind.

2) Fight fire with fire: tell a better joke, or, mercilessly heckle the j(ackass)oker.

3) Kvetch like a child, expecting salvation from outside.

4) Attempt a coup.

Have at it...

i never saw being a dissident as being the same as a terrorist and anonymity the perfect disguise.

In some parts of the world: dissident and terrorist are synonymous.

It's a matter of perspective.

The instigator often believes himself 'right' (hence his or her being a dissident); the 'victim' often believes the instigator is 'wrong' (hence the instigator being a terrorist).

Frankly: way too much hullaballoo is made over 'dissident' or 'terrorist' or whatever.

Just say what you want and quit labeling it.

Folks who agree: agree.

Folks who disagree: disagree.

I've never seen a thinking person moved toward or away from 'anything' by a goddamned label.

What can I say?

I've made my case, stated my position: can't see the point in perpetual rehash.

So: Ignore me, or, fight me, or, kvetch like a child, or, attempt a coup.

Me: unless some one has a new wrinkle to the subject they wanna address, I'm done with this.

yup, i can see this thread having run its course without addressing even so much as the issue of mental and psychological overkill (after all, physical fighting isn't naming it correctly).

maybe someone wanted to show the need for widely applicable one-size-fits-all therapy and marketing it without being found out proselytizing?

"mental and psychological overkill"

You may hash out these mythical things all you like...there are other folks here besides me, ya know.

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"one-size-fits-all"

I'm trying to ensure that EVERYONE has a stadium-sized space to fart around in (with minimal restraint) and you wanna dicker about the size and color of your locker...

As the saying goes: no pleasin' some folks...

good corporate citizenship, to me, would entail a bit of non-mythical, but good behavior and interest in getting whatever wants across with such!

i can apologize (and do so herewith) to The Valkyrier for overreacting to the fact that vital information is being deliberately withheld and / or handled the wrong way.

in such circumstances, one would never be a good moderator and certainly always a lousy admin, imho.

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or, where am i?

http://ocd.about.com/od/causes/a/OCD_Thought.htm

gone is gone, indeed. just a matter of time.

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