A very good link on the way ET's possibly move around so easily and quickly. And other mind blowing possibilities.

Problem with ZPE though, is that there is no way to harvest valuable energy sufficient to replace the energy required to obtain it. In a recent argument with a ''scientist'', who apparently worked in the field of ZPE stated that free energy was impossible and that the ZPF (Zero-point field) does not allow for energy to be created from nothing.

It's not that it is impossible: Gaining free energy is relatively easy. It's gaining enough of the stuff which is the problem. Also, ZPF states exactly that this stuff truely does come from nowhere! But is there any way to harvest this energy? So far there are no contenders.

Physics of the impossible (googled:)

Review - Physics of the ImpossibleTo do this Michio Kaku splits the definition 'impossible' into 3 groups. ... Kaku frequently uses science fiction movies to explain the 'impossibilities' ...
www.popularscience.co.uk/reviews/rev436.htm - Cached

Is written by Doctor Michio Kaku, and just recently i had the pleasure of watching his two-part television show in the same name of his book - he tackles many idea's of space exploration and one idea he finally turned to was the ZPE, but did not highlight enough why it was not a resonable energy source.

Isn't that odd... the anunnaki was used by you earlier, and its at the bottom of the page. I thought originally the name was linked to the work ''Anak'' the fallen angles of the Nephalim - but i couldn't find a link to them on wiki.

Ironically, their page opens with the same remarks.

The Anunnaki is very touchy subject with just about every known religeous and scientific organization out there. The Anunnaki explain and fill a lot of holes and mysteries that surround mankind. It is a tough pill to swallow for many though.

Yes Harvesting for practical means.

juggling with the abstracta a little?

investment practice and harnessing a fair interest in the outcome.

The abstracta, is no more abstract than the idea at one point the universe appeared from nothing.

The universe at one time, was nearly the size of a proton. That proton too had to come out of the ZPF - simply stated; the nothingness, which is actually the ''everythingness'' required to create reality.

lofty thinking... get any warning signals yet?

since i am no tech expert, i could be wrong, but i get a clue from the word 'compression'.


to be clear, i would like this to be seen as a constructive question rather than a premature dismissal.

Your estranged sense of wording sentances is too bold to ignore. Lavender, surely it is you?

previous post edited to EXPLAIN reason for what you simply see as estranged.

What is the question?

how zpe is "produced". or re-produced.

It requires the existence of virtual particles. We believe virtual particles obey only certain laws of physics.

For instance, the energy-mass equivalence is E²=M²c²²+p²c² which is generally true for ordinary matter, but for virtual matter, this is reduced to simply E²=p²c². The reason why is because they do not posses a real mass.

These virtual negative particles, are real in the sense they are out ''there'' - but are just as mysterious when explaining a quntum cutoff for frequencies of Zero-Point particles, for if there was no such cutoff, all spacetime would be flooded with nearly 122 magnitudes of all the obervable energy in the Universe.

now or never:

how do particles become virtual and get 'out there' only?

It is within my experience to treat virtual particles on pretty much the same footing as Quantum Statistical Waves of Possibilities, or probabilities using a more correct terminology. No were in science do physicists truely equate virtual particles as being somehow equivalent to wave mechanics of possibilities (the wave function) but in many senses they are.

Just like the wave function itself, and including all theoretical physics, virtual particles are mostly used in a statistical analysis, such as the stability of hydrogen atoms ect. They are real in the world then, in pretty much the same fashion, that they have real measurable effects - statistical effects.

They exist for limited time periods, which means they are pretty much the definition of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, given here as ΔEΔt. This is the uncertainty relationship between time and energy... this is why superluminal speeds are possible for virtual particles.. in theory, virtual particles [appear from the wave sludge of probabilities] inherent in the spacetime dynamical vacuum, and can move faster than the speed of light for a very short time.

In a sense, all particles where virtual at one point. The ZPF is in fact the birth place of all matter, so its not a matter of how particles become virtual, but rather how they become real, and this is when particle-antiparticle creation comes involved. From the same sludge of possibilities can come particles from no where, created in pairs of particle-antiparticle manifestations.

thanks. this makes sense so far.

i sense, somehow, that in this nowhere zone, all definitions of language lose their meaning and only the formulae are left to use and apply?

tell me, when i seem to have lost it.

Most of physics is backed purely on math. The best way to view the nothingness, is simply treating it real, or even in the sense knowing it to be the birthplace of all matter, even more real than the world we inexorably observe.

aha. i am treating the best way of viewing nothingness as real. more real than what inexorably is observed by us.

so there is nothing, my birthplace, to own, only the sense of knowing.

nothing comes from nothing.

or: there is nothing that does NOT exist.

i have lost it.

Lucrietus once said ''nothing cannot come from nothing.''

The virtual vacuum, even though we tend to treat it as something which is nothing, it actually turns out to be something after all.

As far as space travel is concerned; it cannot be dismissed out of hand merely because ZPE doesn't fit into human understanding as of yet, but I got strange feeling(no facts) that this is going to happen.

But how, is the question...

*ponders mindlessly*

Not mindlessly

Why not, power a spaceship using just a nuclear-reactor?? it is simple and yet powerful! -real starship design such as Daedalus, Orion, and Longshot (starship mentioned in wikipedia) all has nuclear-propulsion... and are capable of reaching 10% speed-of-light (10% is quite fast).

Why bother with ZPE?? we don't need infinite-energy to move around, right? -probably we just need several nuclear-bomb to lift USS Nimitz to Mars (haha). But it is not environmental friendly.
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Isn't it funny to see USS Nimitz in space??

That sound Like good idea; make it so #1

made it then: to comprehensive school?

outed.

the following is a quote, backed by completely unknown details.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/religion-philosophy/977019-mind-puzzle.html#post14232544

It is possible that perhaps the zero-point field will give us an idea on how negative energy works. We can create the stuff in the lab, but essentially, we can't produce enough of the stuff. If we could though, we could use it to disort the spacetime fabric around a spaceship.

The ZPF generates energy from nowhere when two plates are placed close together, but more interestingly enough, there is a very small amount of negative exotic energy in the energy produced.

I am doing some homework on this, but as long as we have to push our way around in space
in rockets we are not going to get very far, no matter what we use for propellant. We need to manipulate space somehow i.e. by folding or bending it. The need for the energy convergence to do this would require an enormous amount of conventional fuel so fuel will not be brought along, we could pull in non-conventional Zero-point energy from the vacuum of space. Obviously our technology is not near ready for this...yet, but picture huge sail like collectors on a ship like a big dragon fly gliding through hyper-space.

Our technology, as you mentioned, is not ready for such advances.

It will one day though.

technology has been advanced enough. human minds are now too exhausted to comprehend distribution.

the Quantum Vacuum And here you thought it was empty... new thinking for many

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light

ftl sympathies at a higher frequency, presumably.