BETRAYED WITH A KISS

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:15 pm

lavender orchid wrote:

how can i?

Some do. Some assume everyone else assumes the same type of reality exists for everyone. Sure everyone can rationalize differences in beliefs and opinions, but the unconscious mind doesn't bring this fact into habitual thinking or projection when speaking to others. The reason for this is that people don't witness themselves thinking or feeling any more than they do others around them. For most it's like being in a movie theater watching a movie and forgetting about the outside world. All attention is on the drama and the mind is so absorbed in the drama the awareness of ones self sitting in the theater is set somewhere back behind the attention on the drama.
There are many levels of consciousness and we are most familiar with sleeping, dreaming, and waking states of consciousness. Beyond those states are others which include a more expansive condition of self awareness such as witnessing everything from a stable point of awareness where even belief is observed in its emergence from conditioning, and the way it changes with intellectual stimulation.

Guest

dumping descriptive knowledge on the "free" market isn't making the slightest difference, nor does it initiate a recognizable behavioral change which would have certainly not been too much to expect, even when not directly asked and given the distance and purposely reduced perceptive functionaliy.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:29 pm

lavender orchid wrote:

dumping descriptive knowledge on the "free" market isn't making the slightest difference, nor does it initiate a recognizable behavioral change which would have certainly not been too much to expect, even when not directly asked and given the distance and purposely reduced perceptive functionaliy.

I doubt that you believe what you just wrote. If you did you might believe that you address so many posts just to see yourself on the computer screen and not because you actually think people are engaged in anything that you say or write, (which might be why you get little respect from those who wish to see you banned from this forum as a reflection of this idea).

Change isn't always observed within minutes, hours or even days.

Guest

i thank you very kindly for the lecture.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:30 pm

Obviously one chooses their options from, and for interpretation of reality. Questions could be if the choices are derived from illusions of changing perceptions or a stability that survives change.

Guest

your choice of questions - and calculations and the manipulative use of language to hide the self behind.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:30 am

Obviously one chooses their options from, and for interpretation of reality. Questions could be if the choices are derived from illusions of changing perceptions or a stability that survives change.

Guest

back to "conditions" in "any playing field"...

are these static, or, if dynamic, acceptable to wholesome individual representation?

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:32 am

lavender orchid wrote:

back to "conditions" in "any playing field"...

are these static, or, if dynamic, acceptable to wholesome individual representation?

Static and dynamic. Acceptable? Not always. Mostly ignored and unobserved. Most grass roots ideals are structured around personality rather than universality. Universality supports all grass roots applications of wholesomeness.

Guest

Manonymous wrote:

lavender orchid wrote:

back to "conditions" in "any playing field"...

are these static, or, if dynamic, acceptable to wholesome individual representation?

Static and dynamic. Acceptable? Not always. Mostly ignored and unobserved. Most grass roots ideals are structured around personality rather than universality. Universality supports all grass roots applications of wholesomeness.

it's interesting (right now) how your answer is now more of a judgment than an analysis which i would have expected: i see the chaos breaking loose with the dynamics not observable and beyond our control, but perhaps perceivable still.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:14 am

The dynamics are observable if you can observe yourself from someplace other than the identity of the ego.

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Manonymous wrote:

The dynamics are observable if you can observe yourself from someplace other than the identity of the ego.

.... the assumed identity of the "ego". should suffice already?

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:19 am

Yeah? Well are we there yet?

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Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.

What happens if you get scared half to death…. twice?

so what's the speed of dark?

Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.

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Manonymous wrote:

Yeah? Well are we there yet?

almost: dynamics would more precisely require 'identification'! Smile

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:28 am

Recognition is a good word in this case, since the identity is not exclusive to a particular experience but rather inclusive to all experiences. Cause and effect, don'tcha know...

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Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.

What happens if you get scared half to death…. twice?

so what's the speed of dark?

Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.

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brian1939 wrote:

The Pope: Vicar of Christ
Is the pope the vicar (substitute) of Christ on the earth, wielding universal power over the whole church? If you believe the catechism, he is:

"For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." Pg. 234, #882 ...

here we see the so called holy father kissing a book that teaches that GOD has no son and JESUS did not die on the cross

Did not die on the cross? Other than being a worldly figure, how could he have not been, after all the scriptural evidence?

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:33 pm

Mr. Scientist wrote:

brian1939 wrote:

The Pope: Vicar of Christ
Is the pope the vicar (substitute) of Christ on the earth, wielding universal power over the whole church? If you believe the catechism, he is:

"For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." Pg. 234, #882 ...

here we see the so called holy father kissing a book that teaches that GOD has no son and JESUS did not die on the cross

Did not die on the cross? Other than being a worldly figure, how could he have not been, after all the scriptural evidence?

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Well sir, the muslims are not too concerned with scriptural references to JESUS dying on the cross from the old and new testaments , they only believe what the QURAN teaches, and the POPE not wishing to shake the boat and offend muslims goes along with them ,even though his OWN religion teaches the OPPOSITE .

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:13 am

Guess that just proves he is flexible enough to give his blessing to God being in the form most pleasing to the Muslims, rather than insulting them and forcing his own beliefs upon them.
Nice....

_________________
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.

What happens if you get scared half to death…. twice?

so what's the speed of dark?

Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:44 am

Manonymous wrote:

Guess that just proves he is flexible enough to give his blessing to God being in the form most pleasing to the Muslims, rather than insulting them and forcing his own beliefs upon them.
Nice....

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The pope cannot give his blessing to GOD by agreeing with the muslims that GOD did not send his son to die on the cross , he is making GOD out to be a LIAR and insulting both GOD and JESUS, and is under GODS curse

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Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:47 am

GALATIANS 1:9
King James Bible
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:03 pm

brian1939 wrote:

Manonymous wrote:

Guess that just proves he is flexible enough to give his blessing to God being in the form most pleasing to the Muslims, rather than insulting them and forcing his own beliefs upon them.
Nice....

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The pope cannot give his blessing to GOD by agreeing with the muslims that GOD did not send his son to die on the cross , he is making GOD out to be a LIAR and insulting both GOD and JESUS, and is under GODS curse

Recognizing Gods creation and Gods children is not preaching false gods or even ignoring ones own beliefs.

Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not Judged.

Lk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be Judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Lk 12:58 When thou goest with thine adversary to the magistrate, as thou art in the way, give diligence that thou mayest be delivered from him; lest he hale thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and the officer cast thee into prison.

Jn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Jn 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. (which judges no man by the way)

Jn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

1 Cor 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

1 Cor 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1 Cor 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

Jas 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Your turn... But I think I out-versed you, so youre gonna have to out-scripture me.. study

_________________
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.

What happens if you get scared half to death…. twice?

so what's the speed of dark?

Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:09 pm

i can do no better than quote from your own post Laughing

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1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

1 Cor 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
Laughing

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:11 pm

@ MANONYMOUS i am impressed by the amount of effort you put into your post ...well done ..good answers ..worth reading cheers

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:37 am

It takes little effort or thinking to quote scripture with words that fit a personal ideal.

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Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.

What happens if you get scared half to death…. twice?

so what's the speed of dark?

Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.

Guest

"would you had been remained hot or cold...."

would i had even a remote chance left to be either hot or cold.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:43 pm

Manonymous wrote:

It takes little effort or thinking to quote scripture with words that fit a personal ideal.

Do those scriptures you quoted fit your personal ideas then manonymous ?

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:52 pm

We might expand upon the metaphor of the betraying kiss and say that it was a kiss that lead to some rape.

God forbid.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:08 pm

lavenderorchid wrote:

"would you had been remained hot or cold...."

would i had even a remote chance left to be either hot or cold.

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yes there is nothing worse than LUKE WARM TEA ..............yuuuuuuuuuuuk

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:18 pm

brian1939 wrote:

Manonymous wrote:

It takes little effort or thinking to quote scripture with words that fit a personal ideal.

Do those scriptures you quoted fit your personal ideas then manonymous ?

They can seemingly point toward the mechanics of natural law; of cause and effect; the absolute One and the experience of the absolute one in Christed conscious awareness. The recognition of God in everything precludes any judgment of God being less in one thing or another and give impetus to seek evil as one's own ego, which assumes illusions of something other than God. Sin, which is the mind of materialism and separation from the unity that binds God to all experiences, is self created thru the free will. One brings with them into each life (as in born in sin), the conditioning of beliefs regarding reality and the self. All judgments made from the belief that God is separate from the experience of ones self perpetuates birth and rebirth in the illusions of ego.
True judgment can only come with the direct experience of being One with God as was stated by Jesus "I and my Father are one". That is not the judgment that sets one apart from another as God and not God.
"Satan" or "Ego" is the mind of the son of man separated from God. The mind that assumes the ideas and beliefs of the parents of the earth bound mortal body. "Self" (I am or soul) also Consciousness immortal, is the mind within the mind of the son of man. It lay dormant within the son of man as the son of man walks and thinks and relates to himself as mortal flesh. When the son of man learns to see, taste, speak, touch and listen with the senses of consciousness immortal (spirit) he becomes "Christed," a son of God, assuming the inherent abilities of the spiritual parent, God the Father, like Jesus or Buddha before him or Melchizedek before Buddha. Then True judgment/recognition of reality dawns in the son of man as he is reborn as the Son of God. "It is written, ye are Gods"

To answer your question, they do reflect the experience and memory of my conscious awareness.

_________________
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.

What happens if you get scared half to death…. twice?

so what's the speed of dark?

Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:56 pm

brian1939 wrote:

Manonymous wrote:

Where does the Koran say Jesus was not the son of God or that he didn't die on the cross?

I think the following quotations from the QURAN will answer your question.

In Sura 4:171 it states,

Christ Jesus the son of Mary
Was (no more than)
A Messenger of Allah,
And His Word,
Which He bestowed on Mary,
And a Spirit proceeding
From Him: so believe
In Allah and His Messengers.
Say not "Three": desist:
It will be better for you:
For Allah is One God:
Glory be to Him:
(Far Exalted is He) above
Having a son..

And they make the jinn associates with Allah, while He created them, and they falsely attribute to Him sons and daughters without knowledge; glory be to Him, and highly exalted is He above what they ascribe (to Him). Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could He have a son when He has no consort, and He (Himself) created everything, and He is the Knower of all things. S. 6:100-101 Shakir.

you will see that the lower passage says that ALLAH could not have a son because he has no consort, but the hebrew GOD ALMIGHTY YAHWEH does not have these limitations ....he is able to create sons from dust or stones

What version of the Quran did you quote from? The few that I looked at, which are literal translations, read:
[4:171] O people of the scripture,
do not transgress the limits of your religion,
and do not say about GOD except the truth.
The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD,
and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him.
Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers.
You shall not say, "Trinity." You shall refrain from this for your own good.
GOD is only one god.
Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son.
To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth.
GOD suffices as Lord and Master.

I note that it says GOD all the way through, as opposed to GOD/ALLAH.
I think this is the case because Allah and God both refer to A god.
One and the same.

Subject: Re: BETRAYED WITH A KISS Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:57 pm

quote polyvalence : i think this is the case because Allah and God
refer to a God. one and the same .

W R O N G !... they are not the same GOD .one GOD has a son called JESUS who is now sitting to the right of him in heaven, but the other so called god does not have a son , they are obviously DIFFERENT GODS .