Which came first, the noun or the verb?

Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:11 am

Miro777 wrote:

Noun came first in affirmative but verb came first in questions !

Hi, nice to see you.

Don't forget, noun and verb are not exactly the same as S (subject) and V (verb) slots.

We can start a sentence with a verb if we use the gerund or the infinitive: Running is fun. To run is fun.

Is this a cow! can be an exclamation or a question.

This is a cow? the same.

The noun seems to come first in SVO languages like English. Meanwhile in SOV languages, like Korean, the verb is generally last whether it is a question or not.

Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:02 pm

interesting....i think i should study grammer again coz i forgot it..... lol!

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Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:01 am

Miro777 wrote:

interesting....i think i should study grammer again coz i forgot it..... lol!

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Grammar is like the cuts of beef; we take it in and we serve it everyday, the taste is totally familar to us -- yet often we do not know their class and names, and would never recognize them for themselves aside from the everyday use we put them to. How the thing could actually live and move is hard to see from the deli shop perspective.

This is a chicken and egg problem too...

Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:39 pm

hummmm, i would vote, if i knew which came first, i or you asking me such a question.

overtaking the undertaker: clearly fast enough for a dissolution in synchronicity.

btw. i love this thread!

clown

Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:04 pm

lavender orchid wrote:

hummmm, i would vote, if i knew which came first, i or you asking me such a question.

Seems to me all the pronouns are interchangeable. This seems counter intuitive at first thought, but in law, which is a close relative of grammar, a "person" can be any number of actual souls. Given solipsism there is no certainty that any given person is even one soul, maybe a robot, maybe zero? A married couple is (we assume) two living souls, but one legal person; and a corporation might be thousands of individuals, but again, one legal person.

Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:37 pm

noun phrases and verb phases would have to originate together because you don't have a sentence without both. and sentences are needed to describe facts, make claims, convey information, convince people to go along with some action, and so on.

Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:04 pm

The first word a baby uses is a word for mother. Just by using this noun the baby gets the desired attention. Hence we all used nouns before verbs so the noun came first.

Russell

Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:36 pm

The first word a baby uses is intended to convey the desire for a change of state.

A change of state is a reconfiguration of the elements of possibility, a fulfilling of lack.

This characterizes all life. Life is characterized by change, growth, lack-and-fulfillment.

The verb is the basis of all symbolic manipulation of reality.

The verb is essential to the form, to the statement of facts.

I ❤ color

Hello Russell, welcome to the forum. Nice post.

rhinogrey wrote:

The first word a baby uses is intended to convey the desire for a change of state.

What about crying? Why should baby call mom if she can cry?

Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:31 pm

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Which came first, the noun or the verb?

It was a mutual orgasm. In creation all exists at the same time. One does not exist without the other.

Subject: Re: Which came first, the noun or the verb? Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:50 am

In answer to why a baby should call mom if she can cry. For survival a baby needs to increase is repertoire and intially does this by impressing the mother firstly by facial expressions, then by using words. Conceptually the easiest words to use and understand are nouns which act as labels.

Russell