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coberst
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PostSubject: What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?   Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:16 am

What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?

Our habit of seeking accustomed satisfactions prevents us from finding new sources of energy with which to see or create new meanings. Blind habit controls our every turn. Familiar modes of thought and accustomed perceptions lock our imagination and will into a strait jacket of passivity.

What tool is available to break this passive mold of inaction and apathy? It is playful imagination that can lead us from the jailhouse we have trapped our self within. We need to remind our self of Plato’s wise expression that the gods are happiest when man plays. This playful attitude applies both to our sciences as well as our arts. It applies to all of wo/man’s symbolic activities.

Physicists found the world inside the atom to be non-intuitive. The world inside the atom seemed to be totally different from our world. Heisenberg’s principle of indeterminacy was about an alien world. If, however, we were able to climb into the atomic world it is quite possible that the principle of indeterminacy would be ‘just doing what comes naturally’.

Some of history’s great thinkers have penetrated into the human mind long before Freud. Rousseau, for example, comprehended an aspect of “unconscious motivation”. “The moral of this anecdote is that the honest man can see through himself even quicker than the honest scientist can see through nature.”

We could have comprehended the science of the human condition much sooner than we did and the reason we did not is because of the “intolerance of method, the claims to exclusivity, the doctrine of a single valid approach to the study of man…The place where this took its greatest toll was in the fragmentation of the disciplines, the isolation of the various approaches to man. But undoubtedly the most harmful intolerance of all was the intolerance of philosophy in the science of man.”

In the reaction to various philosophical speculations, the scientific community in the mid-nineteenth century shouted ‘no more speculations were needed about the nature of man’. The scientific community followed by the population in general decided that it was only important to discover what was going on within the organism. Psychiatry became uncompromisingly organismic. Science failed to see that its methods were narrowing significantly humanities real striving.

Pragmatism at the end of the nineteenth century was a response to this narrow scientific approach toward the “science of man”. It became obvious that we must understand what wo/man is striving for, “as a part of nature, as a dimension of life”.

Rousseau taught us that humans wanted meaning and maximum conviction but a major question that the scientific method could not resolve “What was behind all of man’s peculiar urges, what was he trying to do as a vehicle of the life force? For only if we could understand this abstract problem could we answer the greatest practical puzzle of all: What were the possibilities of life on the level of human existence; and, conversely, what was there about the human condition that was hopeless?”

What are the limitations and possibilities for human life?

Ideas and quotes from Beyond Alienation by Ernest Becker
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fruktbar




PostSubject: Re: What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?   Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:54 pm

If those in power wish people to be less apathetic, then they need to let go of some of their control.
If those not in power, themselves, wish to no longer be apathetic, it seems to me they/we have to find wherever the edge is where they can get more power and control over their lives. These tiny steps will likely be much less flashy then the Hollywood dreams make us think changes happen. So we must be generous with self-praise over even the most miniscule changes.
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Manonymous




PostSubject: Re: What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?   Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:57 am

fruktbar wrote:
If those in power wish people to be less apathetic, then they need to let go of some of their control.
If those not in power, themselves, wish to no longer be apathetic, it seems to me they/we have to find wherever the edge is where they can get more power and control over their lives. These tiny steps will likely be much less flashy then the Hollywood dreams make us think changes happen. So we must be generous with self-praise over even the most miniscule changes.

If one was to give self praise they would no longer be apathetic and the illusion of someone having power over another would be cast off in the greater awareness that apathy and its suffering, is self inflicted.
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coberst
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PostSubject: Re: What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?   Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:34 pm

fruktbar wrote:
If those in power wish people to be less apathetic, then they need to let go of some of their control.
If those not in power, themselves, wish to no longer be apathetic, it seems to me they/we have to find wherever the edge is where they can get more power and control over their lives. These tiny steps will likely be much less flashy then the Hollywood dreams make us think changes happen. So we must be generous with self-praise over even the most miniscule changes.


We seem to be in such an age of apathy today and all I see is shouting controlled by Corporate America that is directed at maintaining the status quo. If citizens have never been taught how to think can they ever move beyond the control of CA.
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MagnetMan




PostSubject: Re: What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?   Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:51 pm

History has shown that when we become slaves to custom
the controllers riding on the customized band wagon
sate themselves
and lose sight of reality

Common sense then reasserts itself
among the masses
the Emperor is seen to be naked
and controller's heads roll

The current glut
of the money changers
looks a lot like history repeat
so let us all hope
that common sense
reasserts itself
sooner
rather than later
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Guest
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PostSubject: Re: What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?   Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:58 am

Quote:
What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?


Pain, as in the paineful truth of Obama's utopia. But, of course, it's usually to late then. But this time maybe not. Little old ladies are standing up to union thug intimidation.
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lavender orchid




PostSubject: Re: What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?   Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:18 am

coberst wrote:
What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?

Our habit of seeking accustomed satisfactions prevents us from finding new sources of energy with which to see or create new meanings. Blind habit controls our every turn. Familiar modes of thought and accustomed perceptions lock our imagination and will into a strait jacket of passivity.

What tool is available to break this passive mold of inaction and apathy? It is playful imagination that can lead us from the jailhouse we have trapped our self within. We need to remind our self of Plato’s wise expression that the gods are happiest when man plays. This playful attitude applies both to our sciences as well as our arts. It applies to all of wo/man’s symbolic activities.

fwiw, homo ludens has come to be viewed as childish, incompetent and unqualified by the logic as narrow as the global economy and its utilitarian splendor.

Physicists found the world inside the atom to be non-intuitive. The world inside the atom seemed to be totally different from our world. Heisenberg’s principle of indeterminacy was about an alien world. If, however, we were able to climb into the atomic world it is quite possible that the principle of indeterminacy would be ‘just doing what comes naturally’.

Some of history’s great thinkers have penetrated into the human mind long before Freud. Rousseau, for example, comprehended an aspect of “unconscious motivation”. “The moral of this anecdote is that the honest man can see through himself even quicker than the honest scientist can see through nature.”

if i might add, yet their recorded thinking ironically has contributed to the loss of the origninal experience, since everyone is now required to study them instead. a widening gap caused by a greedy intellecutalism. imho.

We could have comprehended the science of the human condition much sooner than we did and the reason we did not is because of the “intolerance of method, the claims to exclusivity, the doctrine of a single valid approach to the study of man…The place where this took its greatest toll was in the fragmentation of the disciplines, the isolation of the various approaches to man. But undoubtedly the most harmful intolerance of all was the intolerance of philosophy in the science of man.”

if it take YOUR authority to enhance validity and trustworthiness of this statement, then so be it. amen. how far would it reach into the everyday lives of the dispossessed at any given moment?

In the reaction to various philosophical speculations, the scientific community in the mid-nineteenth century shouted ‘no more speculations were needed about the nature of man’. The scientific community followed by the population in general decided that it was only important to discover what was going on within the organism. Psychiatry became uncompromisingly organismic. Science failed to see that its methods were narrowing significantly humanities real striving.

Pragmatism at the end of the nineteenth century was a response to this narrow scientific approach toward the “science of man”. It became obvious that we must understand what wo/man is striving for, “as a part of nature, as a dimension of life”.

Rousseau taught us that humans wanted meaning and maximum conviction but a major question that the scientific method could not resolve “What was behind all of man’s peculiar urges, what was he trying to do as a vehicle of the life force? For only if we could understand this abstract problem could we answer the greatest practical puzzle of all: What were the possibilities of life on the level of human existence; and, conversely, what was there about the human condition that was hopeless?”

What are the limitations and possibilities for human life?

Ideas and quotes from Beyond Alienation by Ernest Becker


have you ever been to an "employment agency" in the country known as that of poets and thinkers? have you ever dared to speak out on the spirit of restoration claiming all the leadership positions again?
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lavender orchid




PostSubject: Re: What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?   Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:23 am

The Paineful Truth wrote:
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What tool is available to break the hold of apathy?


Pain, as in the paineful truth of Obama's utopia. But, of course, it's usually to late then. But this time maybe not. Little old ladies are standing up to union thug intimidation.


you one of them or only distributing wanton labels via this medium? Evil or Very Mad
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