What are you reading?

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^imho, she does not build any of that; on the contrary she "writes it down" ("feststellen") to sound as if there's no way out of a tightly closed circle.

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:18 pm

lavender orchid wrote:

^imho, she does not build any of that; on the contrary she "writes it down" ("feststellen") to sound as if there's no way out of a tightly closed circle.

Sometimes I watch Penn and Teller's Bull Shit, just to study their use of fallacies and argument of course. They freely admit they do not agree with or believe all the critiques and exposes they present. There are areas of thought that need to be explored: Don't kill the messenger. No one is ever certain of what they say anyhow.

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:19 pm

Monoexplosion, I also took a quick look at Quinn's site, and the reference to the X & Y chromosome is just an unfortunate accident, of picking those letters for those genes. You could just as well say that a C is an incomplete O, it just makes no sense at all. I did scan some other parts and I cant decide if it a serious attack on men, or a tongue in cheek peice that by expressing such an extreme view, points up how ridiculous the ideas are?

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:32 pm

thedoc wrote:

points up how ridiculous the ideas are?

I think the document is very strong. Understandably men but also women will be challenged by it. I tried reading part of the work substituting Man for Human and Woman for Animal (Wilhelm Reich does a small analysis of animal-human fascism in Disney movies that gave me this idea): the dialectic of oppression and prejudice is always the same: man-woman, human-animal, German-Jew, rich-poor, European-native, adult-child, etc, etc.

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:33 pm

Quinn wrote:

lavender orchid wrote:

^imho, she does not build any of that; on the contrary she "writes it down" ("feststellen") to sound as if there's no way out of a tightly closed circle.

Sometimes I watch Penn and Teller's Bull Shit, just to study their use of fallacies and argument of course. They freely admit they do not agree with or believe all the critiques and exposes they present. There are areas of thought that need to be explored: Don't kill the messenger. No one is ever certain of what they say anyhow.

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rhinosaur wrote:

Quinn wrote:

lavender orchid wrote:

^imho, she does not build any of that; on the contrary she "writes it down" ("feststellen") to sound as if there's no way out of a tightly closed circle.

Sometimes I watch Penn and Teller's Bull Shit, just to study their use of fallacies and argument of course. They freely admit they do not agree with or believe all the critiques and exposes they present. There are areas of thought that need to be explored: Don't kill the messenger. No one is ever certain of what they say anyhow.

wabbit is food for many predators.
leave message at that: 041 means, not in english, "aufgabe". mission accomplished.

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MonoExplosion wrote:

Quinn, I took this from the second paragraph from that link you provided:

Quote:

The male is a biological accident: the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X (female) gene, that is, it has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.

Genes that harm themselves are evolutionary dead-ends, the fact that male Y chromosome still exists suggests that it was and is still a productive gene, not at all the 'walking abortion' (oxymoron, paradox, feminist BS).
I am interested though, in what makes the author so sure (really, I am asking for your opinion on this, not theirs) that the male Y chromosome is an 'incomplete X chromosome', and that this means it is deficient in some way.

Perhaps, through natural selection, some members of the homo sapien species (or an earlier incarnate even) found that the 'extended part of the Y chromosome that made it an X chromosome', was simply not needed. It was a hindrance, and those without it, those with a Y chromose flourished, where those that retained it, became subordinate, and subsisted as bearers of the revolutionary new Y chromosome. I would like to see some genealogy that explains the reasons that there are two forms of chromosomes... The Y chromosome is a slimline X chromosome with the 'shitty' bits cut off. Like bacon with the fat trimmed. Though some people like the fat, especially when it is crispy (not sure if that is a metaphor for anything or not...)

Because, without reading further (though I may do at some point), I see no reason to accept her (the author's) claim that the Y chromosome is an incomplete X chromosome over my interpretation that the Y chromosome was a naturally selected advantage to at least some members of the homo sapien specie (or earlier incarnate). Indeed, I may even submit that the two types of chromosomes grew in tandem together, not one the abortion of the other, but as a multiplicity, a divergence from a previous totality.
Or even as two separate genealogies, locomotives from two separate stations that meet somewhere on the track and find that they are mutually beneficial to one another, from multiplicity towards a totality, a singularity.

Feminists would probably strongly disagree with the last one, regardless of evidence (of which I have none, it is just speculation, thinking) as it implies that man and woman found a mutual orbit about one another as binary stars, rather than one being the negative to the original positive... though they may accept the implied 'singular' sex, a hybrid, as a natural course for evolution to take, supposing that it is somehow beneficial to man (this is not sex specific, man is synonymous with human, just a little quicker to type).

what do you think?

How strange this incompleteness is to the Biblical Interpretation:

And from Man, God took a rib and made Eve...

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:20 pm

Mr. Scientist wrote:

MonoExplosion wrote:

Quinn, I took this from the second paragraph from that link you provided:

Quote:

The male is a biological accident: the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X (female) gene, that is, it has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.

Feminists would probably strongly disagree with the last one, regardless of evidence (of which I have none, it is just speculation, thinking) as it implies that man and woman found a mutual orbit about one another as binary stars, rather than one being the negative to the original positive... though they may accept the implied 'singular' sex, a hybrid, as a natural course for evolution to take, supposing that it is somehow beneficial to man (this is not sex specific, man is synonymous with human, just a little quicker to type).

what do you think?

How strange this incompleteness is to the Biblical Interpretation:

And from Man, God took a rib and made Eve...

Should be said, Solanas identifies the male as useless, the female as also useless, and reproduction and generation as also useless.

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Quinn wrote:

Mr. Scientist wrote:

MonoExplosion wrote:

Quinn, I took this from the second paragraph from that link you provided:

Quote:

The male is a biological accident: the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X (female) gene, that is, it has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.

Feminists would probably strongly disagree with the last one, regardless of evidence (of which I have none, it is just speculation, thinking) as it implies that man and woman found a mutual orbit about one another as binary stars, rather than one being the negative to the original positive... though they may accept the implied 'singular' sex, a hybrid, as a natural course for evolution to take, supposing that it is somehow beneficial to man (this is not sex specific, man is synonymous with human, just a little quicker to type).

what do you think?

How strange this incompleteness is to the Biblical Interpretation:

And from Man, God took a rib and made Eve...

Should be said, Solanas identifies the male as useless, the female as also useless, and reproduction and generation as also useless.

I guess that certainly would identify that absolutely anything we ever come to know must be pretty useless too. Smile

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:24 am

lavender orchid wrote:

wabbit is food for many predators.

Don't you mean 'pwedatows'?

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thedoc wrote:

lavender orchid wrote:

wabbit is food for many predators.

Don't you mean 'pwedatows'?

don't. but thanks: one can never LEARN enough about substituting.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2587867&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=364

have a good time! Sad

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i like detective stories (whodunits), and discovered reading as a multi-level task.
need not lead anywhere though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0w9SJOCmc

Neutral

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most definitely a should-read

http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=103123085

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galsan chinak is a mongolian shaman and leader of a small tribe.
he writes in german, the language he acquired while studying in east germany during the 'cold war' period. an interesting life shared with may people.

galsan chinak, love poems

http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu//tschinag/intro.htm

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:50 pm

Really?

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Niggers: We said so

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A student wrote:

Really?

here's one not yet released, but promising..

http://www.artmetropole.com/popups/events/events_09/142_LuisJacobBookLaunch/am-pr-JacobBookLaunch.html

for the more conservative student, perhaps, this is enuf

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whoever reads deleuze, as recommended by Mono, should make the connection to alice miller,
imho.

http://books.google.com/books?id=AvK6UW0bAc8C&dq=alice+miller+the+drama+of+the+gifted+child&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=rpRgS6jMDYOf_AbGg92BDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAw

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:20 am

Hans Johan Glock's "What is Analytical Philosophy?"

and
Mark Zegaelli's "Logic for Dummies."

The Cab business here is slow. Basketball

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^ahh, reason to suspect at least a portion of cab drivers everywhere to be well-read people?

here's one of my all-time favorites:
\!!

halldór laxness, iceland's bell
http://books.google.com/books?id=qozA_TY5q70C&dq=iceland%27s+bell&source=bl&ots=J6Vub1mCHu&sig=0TNws1YSJdVSMLgXEAhcG3_jAzU&hl=en&ei=y4FjS4vCHsz__QbdiI33Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAw

why?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halld%C3%B3r_Laxness

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:20 pm

Anything that has to do with the messianic bloodline that is not fiction in its make-up.

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"aus gegebenem anlaß" Very Happy

http://books.google.com/books?id=mXaaJT08CDMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+measure+of+things&source=bl&ots=hZyCo9aZKH&sig=wn3AlU1yZ0II4zc15UjwDEAAoWk&hl=en&ei=x41pS4TvFdKC_Qbm9JHcCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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\!!
where the chips fall
no gentle cares matter

http://books.google.com/books?id=QEa0GYO28QIC&dq=out+of+the+dust+paperback&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=9YxrS-KqKJmi_AbLpPjGBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCIQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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http://www.lesleykagen.com/whistling.php

reading for a reason.
recommendation from alien

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philosophy, science carry on with business as usual.
lest it's forgotten..

http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/ethics/de-beauvoir/2nd-sex/introduction.htm

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travel mags...

\!!

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Spoiler:
	http://books.google.com/books?id=ZiD-I5vX-oMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=adorno+minima+moralia&source=bl&ots=Krv_apk2kT&sig=ewMJpmtX94J2lZBRmbwnribJeNU&hl=en&ei=w9t8S_7yBc75_AbwtuWGBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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not fitting the bill
nor able to get to
science with an attitude
as objective or even absolute

brilliant use of vocab here, but.....

Spoiler:
	http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regeln_f%25C3%25BCr_den_Menschenpark&ei=xd1-S-3rOJiW_QbCudCeDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dregeln%2Bf%25C3%25BCr%2Bden%2Bmenschenpark%2Bzusammenfassung%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D0At%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:de:official

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maybe getting it out of "my" system
without replacement of memory chip

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japanese 1994 nobel laureate kenzaburo oe, the silent cry

Spoiler:
	http://books.google.com/books?id=l4XrlNMBqIMC&dq=Kenzaburo+Oe&printsec=frontcover&source=an&hl=en&ei=DAS8S9L-JcKvOLHh7fgH&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Kenzaburo%20Oe&f=false

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http://gnostic-judas.com/users/gangalian

and a likely explanation......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM#Legal_status

about all that could be thought of

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:43 am

Codex Seraphinianus, Luigi Serafini

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNCP1ioc_o4

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dunno if it's between the lines still:
sounds like a post mortem by vivisection

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/in-secret-we-thirst/

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:14 am

I don't know if anyone else has read the Voynich Manuscript ? Very interesting.

http://www.themediadesk.com/newfiles3/f84r.jpg

Just now am looking at "The Book of the Machines" which is Chapters 23 to 25 of Samuel Butler's Erewhon,

http://www.hoboes.com/FireBlade/Fiction/Butler/Erewhon/erewhon23/

Also am seeking recommendations for a picaresque book like Tom Sawyer, but maybe a cyber version or something?

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:25 am

"Sinners in the hands of an angry god"
Johnathan Edwards

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Subject: Re: What are you reading? Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:40 am

Raven pentacle wrote:

"Sinners in the hands of an angry god"
Johnathan Edwards

Those who suffer are wicked?

Hate is in the eye of the beholder. The wretched and the wicked are not the same. Hell is the same sort of mistake as the Platonic Good really existing on the other side. There is no wickedness at all but the wickedness I project myself: Nulla poena sine lege. People are no more wicked than trees. No one is wicked no matter what they have done or what has been done to them; the primordial innocence of anyone is inviolable and is not removed by any amount of suffering or causing of. No one (the victim) is made wicked by suffering, no one (the criminal) is made wicked by inflicting suffering. The association of suffering with evil is a sort of racism.

- Child of Rape

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it's really funny, how i arrived at those sinners on different ways, too. monkey

philipp roth anyone though?

and listening to marlene, across all borders and ditches....

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broken arrow: tracking freedom

east - west (and cuckoo's nest) preponderances fully included..

(annapurna)

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:05 am

Cellular Automata,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton

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wahoo wrote:

Cellular Automata,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton

fascinating. if only there were or had been instruction / teaching methods better including right-brainers.

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:48 am

lavender orchid wrote:

wahoo wrote:

Cellular Automata,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton

fascinating. if only there were or had been instruction / teaching methods better including right-brainers.

So... I think... applying the principals of cellular organization one emergent level up to the brain issue: consciousness (me) is the ribosome: the reader-arm-assembler, AKA the eye-arm, AKA the sensory-motor system, AKA the reader-writer.

Judging by the simplicity of von Neumann etc's replicator animals, 'life' could be very common in the Universe.

DNA is a 4D crystal.

The nervous system may be a sort of parasite on the body.

Evolution is 'in' and also 'out', meaning: competition for space vs new address.

Sex is the logic circuit: BOTH.

Replication vs repair: sex and death or chaste immortality?

Phyla among other characteristics (ideology?) are all the logical possibilities. Some of these creatures cannot survive, are unstable, unicorns, etc.

Ants are among the stupidest animals: down with fashism!

Life started underground running off geothermal energy.

If a human could drink petrol, we'd get 920 miles/galon.*

Funny related: infinite chess, best line,

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/infinite_chess.htm

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^good one! Laughing

info on 'augmented reality'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality

http://www.howstuffworks.com/augmented-reality.htm

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:46 pm

lavender orchid wrote:

^good one! Laughing

info on 'augmented reality'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality

http://www.howstuffworks.com/augmented-reality.htm

I read the undergraduate bio, physics, and chem texts but have long been turned off science by the inane science vs religion debate cycle. Very interesting in your link is the virtual-real spectrum; the nervous system is an augmented reality quite far along the way to virtuality: eg. we actually hunt saltiness, not NaCl. From the time of mind on, the virtuality (consciousness) became the most important factor in evolution, this is sometimes called 'Sexual Selection'* although it's implications are far wider reaching than just mate selection.

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Thu May 06, 2010 12:36 am

Aimé Césaire, Discourse on Colonialism,

http://www.bandung2.co.uk/books/Files/Politics/Discourse%20on%20Colonialism.pdf

Albert Memmi, The Colonizer and the Colonized,

http;//books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZB8...

Both address the question I've been wondering about these days, 'How and why does colonism/capitalism generate inferiority?'

"How can an elite of usurpers, aware of their mediocrity, establish their privileges? By one means only: debasing the colonised to exalt themselves, denying the title of humanity to the natives, and defining them simply as absences of qualities – animals, not humans."

- Jean-Paul Sartre, from Introduction to The Colonizer and the Colonized

dizzy dent, humoris causa

is there really ......

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/security/is-there-really-a-cyberwar-20100506-ub8f.html

Question

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Mon May 10, 2010 12:52 am

Money is language, from GODS OF COMMERCE, Michael Phillips,

http://www.well.com/~mp/MoneyLanguage.pdf

dizzy dent, humoris causa

with a lot of uncomfortable feelings, i read...
michael winterhoff: the elimination of childhood. why our children become tyrants

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fuklitag.com%2Fsite%2Fattach%2Freader_winterhoff_complett.pdf&ei=kSPsS7P4Ac2oOKuenfcH&usg=AFQjCNF507hpxPtgh3yMFNed6b-Gn6Nt9A

Subject: Re: What are you reading? Thu May 13, 2010 7:09 pm

cosmic signs

dizzy dent, humoris causa

let me show you the world-wide cosmos: a new bestseller, a new carreer, a new generation, the subject being as old as the hills ~~ well at least in this one lifetime...

http://www.louannbrizendine.com/

boaring. not that critique would matter to an emerging utilitarian psychology.